VP Debate Freeze Frame

Well, lets see if we can sniff out the bait and switches and slight of hands of the Vice Presidential Debates, just like we did with the Presidential Debates, shall we?

This debate was between Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine and Indiana Gov. Mike Pence. Kaine is running with Clinton, and Pence with Trump. The moderator was Elaine Quijano.

Presidential Leadership

The moderator, Elaine Quiijano, prior to her question indicated:

  • Lloyd Bentsen said the vice presidential debate was not about the qualifications for the vice presidency, but about how if tragedy should occur, the vice president has to step in without any margin for error, without time for preparation, to take over the responsibility for the biggest job in the world.
  • on the campaign trail, you [Kaine] praised Secretary Clinton’s character, including her commitment to public service, yet 60 percent of voters don’t think she’s trustworthy.
  • you [Pence] have said Donald Trump is, quote, “thoughtful, compassionate, and steady.” Yet 67 percent of voters feel he is a risky choice, and 65 percent feel he does not have the right kind of temperament to be president.
  • You guys love Russia. You both have said… You both have said — you both have said Vladimir Putin is a better leader than the president. … These guys have praised Vladimir Putin as a great leader.

There were several questions asked in this segment:

  • What about your qualities, your skills, and your temperament equip you to step into that role at a moment’s notice?
  • Senator Kaine,  Why do so many people distrust her {Clinton]? Is it because they have questions about her e-mails and the Clinton Foundation?
  • Governor Pence, Why do so many Americans think Mr. Trump is simply too erratic?
  • [RE Russia] Why the disconnect? … And why the disconnect with your running mate?

Tim Kaine

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. [Hillary] said to me, you’ve been a missionary and a civil rights lawyer. You’ve been a city councilman and mayor. You’ve been a lieutenant governor and governor and now a U.S. senator. I think you will help me figure out how to govern this nation so that we always keep in mind that the success of the administration is the difference we make in people’s lives.
  2. experience having served at all levels of government

Mike Pence

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. bring a lifetime of experience, a lifetime growing up in a small town, a lifetime where I’ve served in the Congress of the United States, where — where I’ve led a state that works in the great state of Indiana, and whatever other responsibilities might follow from this,

Economy

The moderator prior to her question indicated:

  • neither of your economic plans will reduce the growing $19 trillion gross national debt.
  • your plans would add even more to it.
  • Both of you were governors who balanced state budgets.
  • recently the New York Times released part of Mr. Trump’s 1995 tax return and reported that he could have avoided paying federal income taxes for years.
  • Yesterday, Mr. Trump said he brilliantly used the laws to pay as little tax as legally possible.

There were several questions asked in this segment:

  • Are you concerned that adding more to the debt could be disastrous for the country.
  • Governor Pence, [RE Trumps’s 1995 taxes] Does that seem fair to you?

Mike Pence

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. I’m very proud of the fact that — I come from a state that works. The state of Indiana has balanced budgets. We cut taxes, we’ve made record investments in education and in infrastructure, and I still finish my term with $2 billion in the bank.
  2. we’ve cut unemployment in half
  3. American families are struggling in this economy under the weight of higher taxes and Obamacare and the war on coal and the stifling avalanche of regulation
  4. Look, Donald Trump and I have a plan to get this economy moving again just the way that it worked in the 1980s, just the way it worked in the 1960s, and that is by lowering taxes across the board for working families, small businesses and family farms, ending the war on coal that is hurting jobs and hurting this economy even here in Virginia, repealing Obamacare lock, stock, and barrel, and repealing all of the executive orders that Barack Obama has signed that are stifling economic growth in this economy.
  5. Put on top of that the kind of trade deals that’ll put the American worker first, and you’ve got a prescription for real growth. And when you get the economy growing, Elaine, that’s when you can deal with the national debt. When we get back to 3.5 percent to 4 percent growth with Donald Trump’s plan will do, then we’re going to have the resources to meet our nation’s needs at home and abroad, and we’re going to have the ability to bring down the national debt.
  6. There are millions more people living in poverty today … this economy is struggling. The answer to this economy is not more taxes. … It’s not more spending…
  7. Donald Trump is a businessman, not a career politician. He actually built a business. Those tax returns that were — that came out publicly this week show that he faced some pretty tough times 20 years ago. But like virtually every other business, including the New York Times not too long ago, he used what’s called net operating loss. We have a tax code, Senator, that actually is designed to encourage entrepreneurship in this country.
  8. His tax returns — his tax returns showed he went through a very difficult time, but he used the tax code just the way it’s supposed to be used. And he did it brilliantly.
  9. And with regard to paying taxes, this whole riff about not paying taxes and people saying he didn’t pay taxes for years, Donald Trump has created tens of thousands of jobs. And he’s paid payroll taxes, sales taxes, property taxes…
  10. Donald Trump has filed over 100 pages of financial disclosure, which is what the law requires.

Tim Kaine

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. First thing we do is we invest in manufacturing, infrastructure, and research in the clean energy jobs of tomorrow.
  2. Second thing is we invest in our workforce, from pre-K education to great teachers to debt-free college and tuition-free college for families that make less than $125,000 a year.
  3. Third, we promote fairness by raising the minimum wage, so you can’t work full-time and be under the poverty level, and by paying women equal pay for equal work.
  4. Fourth, we promote small business growth, just as we’ve done in Virginia, to make it easier to start and grow small businesses.
  5. And, fifth, we have a tax plan that targets tax relief to middle- class individuals and small businesses and asks those at the very top who’ve benefited as we’ve come out of recession to pay more.
  6. Independent analysts say the Clinton plan would grow the economy by 10.5 million jobs.

 

Social Security

The moderator prior to her question indicated:

  • The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates your [Kaine] benefits could be cut by as much as $7,500 per year.
  • in 18 years, when the Social Security Trust Funds run out of money, you’ll [Kaine] be 76.

There were several questions asked in this segment:

  • Senator Kaine … [RE: [Social Security Funds] What would your administration do to prevent this cut?

Tim Kaine

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. we’ll look for strategies like adjusting the payroll tax cap upward in order to do that.
  2. We will never, ever engage in a risky scheme to privatize Social Security.

Mike Pence

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. we’re going to meet our obligations to our seniors.
  2. we’re going to meet the obligations of Medicare
  3. are going to cut taxes
  4. reform government programs so we can meet the obligations of Social Security and Medicare

Law Enforcement and Race Relations

The moderator prior to her question indicated:

  • After the Dallas police shooting, Police Chief David Brown said, quote, “We’re asking cops to do too much in this country. Every societal failure we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, not enough drug addiction funding, schools fail, let’s give it to the cops.”
  • Senator Tim Scott, who is African-American, recently spoke on the Senate floor. He said he was stopped seven times by law enforcement in one year. … He said, “I have felt the anger, the frustration, the sadness, and the humiliation that comes with feeling like you’re being targeted for nothing more than being just yourself.”

There were several questions asked in this segment:

  • Do we ask too much of police officers in this country?
  • And how would you specifically address the chief’s concerns?
  • Governor Pence, What would you say to Senator Scott about his experiences?

Tim Kaine

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. I think that’s a very fair comment. I think we put a lot on police shoulders. And this is something I got a lot of scar tissue and experience on.
  2. I was a city councilman and mayor in Richmond. And when I came in, we had one of the highest homicide rates in the United States. We fought very, very hard over the course of my time in local office with our police department, and we reduced our homicide rate nearly in half.
  3. we cracked the top 10, 10 safest states, because we worked together.
  4. The way you make communities safer and the way you make police safer is through community policing. You build the bonds between the community and the police force, build bonds of understanding, and then when people feel comfortable in their communities, that gap between the police and the communities they serve narrows. And when that gap narrows, it’s safer for the communities and it’s safer for the police.
  5. We’ll focus on community policing. We will focus on — and Hillary Clinton has rolled out a really comprehensive mental health reform package that she worked on with law enforcement professionals, and we will also fight the scourge of gun violence in the United States.
  6. we’re going to work to do things like close background record checks
  7. We can support the Second Amendment and do things like background record checks and make us safer, and that will make police safer, too.
  8. criminal justice is about respecting the law and being respected by the law. So there is a fundamental respect issue here. … If you want to have a society where people are respected and respect laws, you can’t have somebody at the top who demeans every group that he talks about.

Mike Pence

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. my uncle was a cop, a career cop, on the beat in downtown Chicago
  2. Police officers are the best of us. And the men and women, white, African-American, Asian, Latino, Hispanic, they put their lives on the line every single day. And let my say, at the risk of agreeing with you, community policing is a great idea. It’s worked in the Hoosier state. And we fully support that.
  3. are going to make sure that law enforcement have the resources and the tools to be able to really restore law and order to the cities and communities in this nation.
  4. they also hear the bad mouthing, the bad mouthing that comes from people that seize upon tragedy in the wake of police action shootings as — as a reason to — to use a broad brush to accuse law enforcement of — of implicit bias or institutional racism. And that really has got to stop.
  5. we ought to stop seizing on these moments of tragedy. We ought to assure the public that we’ll have a full and complete and transparent investigation whenever there’s a loss of life because of police action.
  6. We need criminal justice reform. … Indiana has passed criminal justice reform.
  7. we need to adopt criminal justice reform nationally. I — I signed criminal justice reform in the state of Indiana, Senator, and we’re very proud of it.
  8. I worked when I was Congress on a second chance act. We have got to do a better job recognizing and correcting the errors in the system that do reflect on institutional bias in criminal justice.
  9. let’s not have the reflex of assuming the worst of men and women in law enforcement. We truly do believe that law enforcement is not a force for racism or division in our country
  10. what we need to do is assert a stronger leadership at the national level to support law enforcement.

Immigration

The moderator prior to her question indicated:

  • Your running mates have both said that undocumented immigrants who have committed violent crimes should be deported.

There were several questions asked in this segment:

  • What would you tell the millions of undocumented immigrants who have not committed violent crimes?
  • Governor [Pence], how would these millions of undocumented immigrants leave? Would they be forcibly removed?

Mike Pence

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. a plan that he laid out in Arizona, that will deal systemically with illegal immigration, beginning with border security, internal enforcement.
  2. laid out a priority to remove criminal aliens, remove people that have overstayed their visas. And — and once we have accomplished all of that, which will — which will strengthen our economy, strengthen the rule of law in the country and make our communities safer once the criminal aliens are out, then we’ll deal with those that remain.
  3. Ronald Reagan said a nation without borders is not a nation. Donald Trump is committed to restoring the borders of this nation and securing our nation, enforcing our laws.
  4. Trump laid out a series of priorities that doesn’t ends with border security. It begins with border security. And after we secure the border, not only build a wall, but beneath the ground and in the air, we do internal enforcement.
  5. the focus has to be on criminal aliens.
  6. we’re going to move those people out, people who’ve overstayed their visas. We’re going to enforce the law of this country. We’re going to strengthen Immigrations and Customs Enforcements with more resources and more personnel to be able to do that. And then Donald Trump has made it clear, once we’ve done all of those things, that we’re going to reform the immigration system that we have…where people can come into this country.
  7. That’s the order that you should do it. Border security, removing criminal aliens, upholding with law, and then — but then, Senator, I’ll work you when you go back to the Senate, I promise you, we’ll work you to reform the immigration system.

Tim Kaine

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. believe in comprehensive immigration reform.
  2. want a bipartisan reform that will put keeping families together as the top goal, second, that will help focus enforcement efforts on those who are violent, third, that will do more border control, and, fourth, that will provide a path to citizenship for those who work hard, pay taxes, play by the rules, and take criminal background record checks.
  3. Our plan is like Ronald Reagan’s plan from 1986.

 

Threat of Terrorism

The moderator prior to her question indicated:

  • Mr. Trump has proposed extreme vetting of immigrants from parts of the world that export terrorism. But that does not address many of the recent terrorist attacks in the United States, such as the Orlando nightclub massacre and the recent bombings in New York and New Jersey. Those were homegrown, committed by U.S. citizens and legal residents.
  • Secretary Clinton has talked about an intelligence surge

There were several questions asked in this segment:

  • Do you think the world today is a safer or more dangerous place than it was eight years ago?
  • Has the terrorist threat increased or decreased?
  • Governor Pence, [RE Homegrown terrorism] What specific tools would you use to prevent those kinds of attacks?
  • Senator Kaine, What exactly would an intelligence surge look like? And how would that help identify terrorists with no operational connection to a foreign terrorist organization?
  • Pence asked and was allowed: Can I speak about the cybersecurity surge at all?

Tim Kaine

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. The terrorist threat has decreased in some ways, because bin Laden is dead. The terrorist threat has decreased in some ways because an Iranian nuclear weapons program has been stopped. The terrorist threat to United States troops has been decreased in some ways because there’s not 175,000 in a dangerous part of the world. There’s only 15,000.
  2. Here’s her [Clinton’s] plan to defeat ISIL. First, we’ve got to keep taking out their leaders on the battlefield. She was part of the team that got bin Laden, and she’ll lead the team that will get Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the head of ISIS.
  3. Second, we’ve got to disrupt financing networks, third, disrupt their ability to recruit on the Internet, in their safe havens. But, fourth, we also have to work with allies to share and surge intelligence.
  4. want to do enforcement based on, are people dangerous? …  with respect to refugees, we want to keep people out if they’re dangerous … We should focus upon danger, not upon discrimination.
  5. will do immigration enforcement and we’ll vet refugees based on whether they’re dangerous or not. We won’t do it based on discriminating against you from the country you come from or the religion that you practice.
  6. Intelligence surge is … first, dramatically expanding our intelligence capacities by hiring great professionals, but also we’ve got some of the best intel and cyber employees in the world right here in the United States working for many of our private sector companies. … increasing our own workforce, but striking great partnerships with some of our cyber and intel experts in the private sector so that we can, consistent with constitutional principles, gather more intelligence. … It also means creating stronger alliances, because you gather intelligence and then you share your intelligence back and forth with allies. And that’s how you find out who may be trying to recruit, who may be trying to come to one country or the next. Alliances are critical.

Mike Pence

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. I can make very clear to the American people, after traveling millions of miles as our secretary of state, after being the architect of the foreign policy of this administration, America is less safe today than it was the day that Barack Obama became president of the United States. It’s absolutely inarguable.
  2. ISIS was able to be literally conjured up out of the desert, and it’s overrun vast areas that the American soldier had won in Operation Iraqi Freedom.
  3. We are back at war in Iraq.
  4. it really does begin with us reforming our immigration system and putting the interests, particularly the safety and security of the American people, first.
  5. called for extreme vetting for people coming into this country so that we don’t bring people into the United States who are hostile to our Bill of Rights freedoms, who are hostile to the American way life.
  6. suspending the Syrian refugee program and programs and immigration from areas of the world that have been compromised by terrorism.
  7. We have got to bring together the best resources of this country to understand that cyber warfare is the new warfare of the asymmetrical enemies that we face in this country. And I look forward if I’m privileged to be in this role of working with you in the Senate to make sure that we resource that effort.

Tragedy in Syria

The moderator prior to her question indicated:

  • Two hundred fifty thousand people, 100,000 of them children, are under siege in Aleppo, Syria. Bunker buster bombs, cluster munitions, and incendiary weapons are being dropped on them by Russian and Syrian militaries.

There were several questions asked in this segment:

  • Does the U.S. have a responsibility to protect civilians and prevent mass casualties on this scale?
  • Governor Pence, you had mentioned no-fly zone. Where would you propose setting up a safe zone specifically? How would you keep it safe? And exactly how would those safe zones work? How would they remain safe?

Mike Pence

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. The United States of America needs to begin to exercise strong leadership to protect the vulnerable citizens and over 100,000 children in Aleppo.
  2. we have got to begin to lean into this with strong, broad-shouldered American leadership.
  3. It begins by rebuilding our military. We’ve got to work with Congress, and Donald Trump will, to rebuild our military and project American strength in the world.
  4. America ought to do right now is immediately establish safe zones, so that families and vulnerable families with children can move out of those areas, work with our Arab partners, real time, right now, to make that happen.
  5. the provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength. And if Russia chooses to be involved and continue, I should say, to be involved in this barbaric attack on civilians in Aleppo, the United States of America should be prepared to use military force to strike military targets of the Assad regime to prevent them from this humanitarian crisis that is taking place in Aleppo.
  6. We ought to deploy a missile defense shield to the Czech Republic and Poland
  7. we need to marshal the resources of our allies in the region, and in the immediate, we need to act and act now to get people out of harm’s way.
  8. The — the safe zones would have to be — as the senator said, there’s already a framework for this that’s been recognized by the international community. The United States of America needs to be prepared to work with our allies in the region to create a route for safe passage and then to protect people in those areas, including with a no-fly zone.
  9. I served on the Foreign Affairs Committee for a decade. I traveled in and out of that region for 10 years. I saw what the American soldier won in Operation Iraqi Freedom.
  10. when I was in Congress, I fought hard on a bipartisan basis with Republican and Democrat members to move forward the toughest sanctions, it — literally in the history of the United States, against Iran. We were bringing them to heel, but the goal was always that we would only lift the sanctions if Iran permanently renounced their nuclear ambitions. … They have not renounced their nuclear ambitions. And when the deal’s period runs out, there’s no limitation on them obtaining weapons.

Tim Kaine

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. establishment of humanitarian zones in northern Syria with the provision of international human aid, consistent with the U.N. Security Council resolution that was passed in February 2014, would be a very, very good idea.
  2. Hillary also has the ability to stand up to Russia in a way that this ticket does not.

 

Russia

The moderator prior to her question indicated:

  • Russian President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine, annexed Crimea, and has provided crucial military support to the Assad regime.
  • Mr. Trump said quote, “Putin has no respect for Hillary Clinton and no respect for Obama.”

There were several questions asked in this segment:

  • [RE: Ukraine invasion] What steps, if any, would your administration take to counter these actions?
  • Pense: Why do you think he’ll respect a Trump- Pence administration?
  • Senator Kaine, what went wrong with the Russia reset? And what would do you differently?

Tim Kaine

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. You’ve got to be tough on Russia. So let’s start with not praising Vladimir Putin as a great leader.
  2. Hillary Clinton has gone toe-to- toe with Russia. She went toe-to-toe with Russia as secretary of state to do the New START Agreement to reduce Russia’s nuclear stockpile. She’s had the experience doing it. … You’ve got to have the ability to do that, and Hillary does.
  3. [RE Reset] Vladimir Putin. Vladimir Putin is a dictator.

Mike Pence

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. Russian soldiers that were dressing up like Ukrainian dissidents, and then they moved all the way into Crimea, took over the Crimean Peninsula. Donald Trump knew that happened. He basically was saying it’s not going to happen again.
  2. [RE: Respect] Strength. Plain and simple.
  3. We’re going to rebuild our military.
  4. America is stronger than Russia. Our economy is 16 times larger than the Russian economy. America’s political system is superior to the crony, corrupt capitalist system in Russia in every way. When Donald Trump and I observe that, as I’ve said in Syria, in Iran, in Ukraine, that the small and bullying leader of Russia has been stronger on the world stage than this administration, that’s stating painful facts. That’s not an endorsement of Vladimir Putin. That’s an indictment of the weak and feckless leadership

North Korea, Iran and the threat of nuclear weapons

The moderator prior to her question indicated:

  • North Korea recently conducted its fifth and most powerful nuclear test.

There were several questions asked in this segment:

  • What specific steps would you take to prevent North Korea from developing a nuclear-armed missile capable of reaching the United States?
  • Senator Kaine, if you had intelligence that North Korea was about to launch a missile, a nuclear-armed missile capable of reaching the United States, would you take preemptive action?

Mike Pence

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. we need to make a commitment to rebuild our military, including modernizing our nuclear forces.
  2. we also need an effective American diplomacy that will marshal the resources of nations in the Asian Pacific Rim to put pressure on North Korea, on Kim Jong-un, to abandon his nuclear ambitions. It has to remain the policy of the United States of America the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, plain and simple.
  3. we’re not going to have the — the kind of posture in the world that has Russia invading Crimea and Ukraine, that has the Chinese building new islands in the South China Sea, that has literally the world, including North Korea, flouting American power. We’re going to — we’re going to go back to the days of peace through strength.
  4. Foreign donors, and certainly foreign governments, cannot participate in the American political process. They cannot make financial contributions.

Tim Kaine

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. a president should take action to defend the United States against imminent threat. You have to. A president has to do that. Now exactly what action, you would have to determine what your intelligence was, how certain you were of that intelligence, but you would have to take action.
  2. I’m on the Foreign Relations Committee. We just did an extensive sanctions package against North Korea. And interestingly enough, Elaine, the U.N. followed and did this — virtually the same package. Often China will use their veto in the Security Council to veto a package like that. They’re starting to get worried about North Korea, too. So they actually supported the sanctions package, even though many of the sanctions are against Chinese firms, Chinese financial institutions. … So we’re working together with China, and we need to. China’s another one of those relationships where it’s competitive, it’s also challenging, and in times like North Korea, we have to be able to cooperate.

Social Issues

The moderator prior to her question indicated:

  • You have both been open about the role that faith has played in your lives.

The question asked in this segment:

  1. Can you discuss in detail a time when you struggled to balance your personal faith and a public policy position?

Tim Kaine

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. the hardest struggle in my faith life was the Catholic Church is against the death penalty … But I was governor of a state, and the state law said that there was a death penalty for crimes if the jury determined them to be heinous. And so I had to grapple with that. … But I looked the voters of Virginia in the eye and said, look, this is my religion. I’m not going to change my religious practice to get one vote, but I know how to take an oath and uphold the law. And if you elect me, I will uphold the law. … And I was elected, and I did. It was very, very difficult to allow executions to go forward, but in circumstances where I didn’t feel like there was a case for clemency, I told Virginia voters I would uphold the law, and I did. … That was a real struggle. But I think it is really, really important that those of us who have deep faith lives don’t feel that we could just substitute our own views for everybody else in society, regardless of their views.
  2. But we really feel like you should live fully and with enthusiasm the commands of your faith. But it is not the role of the public servant to mandate that for everybody else.

Mike Pence

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. for me the sanctity of life proceeds out of the belief that — that ancient principle that — where God says before you were formed in the womb, I knew you, and so for my first time in public life, I sought to stand with great compassion for the sanctity of life. … The state of Indiana has also sought to make sure that we expand alternatives in health care counseling for women, non-abortion alternatives. I’m also very pleased at the fact we’re well on our way in Indiana to becoming the most pro-adoption state in America. I think if you’re going to be pro-life, you should — you should be pro- adoption. … So for me, my faith informs my life. I try and spend a little time on my knees every day. But it all for me begins with cherishing the dignity, the worth, the value of every human life.
  2. Because there is — a society can be judged by how it deals with its most vulnerable, the aged, the infirm, the disabled, and the unborn. I believe it with all my hear

Unity

The moderator prior to her question indicated:

  • It has been a divisive campaign.

The question asked in this segment:

  • if your ticket wins, what specifically are you going to do to unify the country and reassure the people who voted against you?

Tim Kaine

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. She [Clinton] has a track record of working across the aisle to make things happen. And, you know, Elaine, I have the same track record. I was a governor of Virginia with two Republican houses. And in the Senate, I have good working relationships across the aisle.

Mike Pence

Statements directly answering the question:

  1. think the best way that we can bring people together is through change in Washington, D.C.
  2. The potential is there to really change the direction of this country, but it’s going to take leadership to do it.
  3. The American people want to see our nation standing tall on the world stage again. They want to see us supporting our military, rebuilding our military, commanding the respect of the world, and they want to see the American economy off to the races again. They want to see an American comeback.
  4. When you hear him say he wants to make America great again, when we do that, I truly do believe the American people are going to be standing taller. They’re going to see that real change can happen after decades of just talking about it. And when that happens, the American people are going to stand tall, stand together, and we’ll have the kind of unity that’s been missing for way too long.

 

Advertisements

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s